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If the Nexus 4 ever came to Ting, would it retail similarly to what Google sells it unlocked?

Trenton Cleghorn
posted this on October 29, 2012 17:28

The Nexus 4 is a nice device that really has me excited. I mean, it has top quality specs at a fraction of the price. Who wouldn't want that?! *ahem* Anyway, the Nexus 4 will be retailing for $299 for the 8GB version and $349 for the 16GB version, which are really attractive prices. If it ever came to Sprint and Google changed its mind and then it was offered on Ting (talk about a lot of ifs), would it retail at similar prices or would the markup on the device be greater?

 

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Rachel Stanley

$50 markup for 8GB seems excessive when you can buy an 8GB micro-SDHC card for under $10, but at least it's not an Apple-sized markup.

Anyhow, what does Google need to change its mind about?  This blog entry seems to indicate that there aren't any obstacles to bringing the Nexus 7 to Ting:

https://ting.com/blog/device-update-new-refurbs-home-phone-connect-...

October 29, 2012 17:47
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Nicolas Sage

According to Google's site the Nexus 4 is being sold UNLOCKED for $299/349 and "in partnership with LG, Nexus 4 is sold unlocked and is GSM/HSPA+ compatible so it will operate on more than 200 network providers worldwide, including T-Mobile in the US."

So does this mean we'll be able to just BYON4 (or at least have it available through Ting)?

I'm totally chomping at the bit for a pure Android phone and awaiting the Nov. 13th release despite the lack of microSD...

October 29, 2012 17:49
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Zarthan South
Ting Army

In the USA GSM / HSPA is ATT and TMobile only. Ting / Sprint / Verizon are CDMA so the Nexus 4 will not be available from the Google Play Store. Sprint will get a CDMA version of the Nexus 4 which at some point should be available as a BYOD device. 

October 29, 2012 18:08
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Kenneth Fox

This is why I am disappointed Ting didn't choose a GSM carrier. Ting's pricing model on an open platform would have been the serious market disruption that the U.S. needs!

October 29, 2012 20:19
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Trenton Cleghorn

@Jeremy Stanley: Ting has often said that they wished they could bring the Galaxy Nexus to Ting but that Google does not allow it. Also, the Nexus 7 is a wifi tablet, not a phone. In other words, a wifi hotspot device could be bought from Ting and used with the Nexus 7. As for Nexus mobile devices being offered through Ting, Google does not allow it. Now as for BYO(S)D, that could be a possible way of getting it on Ting and that is probably what the article you linked to is referring to. 

@Zarthan South: This is what I'm wondering. I know that Sprint will most likely mark up the price significantly for it unlocked as they also did with the Galaxy Nexus. In that case, BYOD could be an expensive proposition when bringing the Nexus 4 over. Google offers it for $300 and then imagine finding Sprint has marked up the price to twice the amount for the CDMA version, $600.

October 29, 2012 20:46
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Zarthan South
Ting Army

@Trenton

I would expect that the cost to build the Nexus 4 might just come close to that 300 dollars. It will be interesting to see the cost estimates once it arrives. That would leave little profit to the manufacturer or Google. The $600 price that Sprint charges is closer to what it should be priced at. In the case of the Nexus 4. I will guess that LG is willing to forego a profit for some much needed recognition. 

October 29, 2012 22:20
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Mark Chaney

Neither AT&T nor Tmobile are known for having great nationwide networks, so it wouldnt have made any sense for Ting to be a partner with them. Plus AT&T is a huge headache to work with from a telecom perspective. If they had partnered with Verizon instead of Sprint (which really has nothing to do with this conversation), their prices would be double what they are now.

October 30, 2012 01:27
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Bruce Osborne
Ting Army

Since Google's current Nexus devices are not "MVNO friendly" (whatever that means) and cannot move to Ting without cloning, I expect their new devices would have a similar problem.

October 30, 2012 07:14
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Trenton Cleghorn

If only Google would offer CDMA versions (that could work with Sprint or Verizon) unlocked on the Play Store. 

October 30, 2012 12:31
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Bruce Osborne
Ting Army

The world outside the US has standardized on GSM for cellular phones. That is a much larger market that Sprint & Verizon can offer.

October 30, 2012 12:32
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Kenneth Fox
Unfortunately, CDMA is locked by design, so it isn't possible to offer such a version in the Play Store. I'm sure there are a lot of reasons Ting went with Sprint (probably easiest to deal with), but I think if they were a GSM carrier then they would be an instant success and game changer. Many people have a hard time dealing with paying full price for a phone, want to bring their own, or don't like the selection. Being a GSM carrier generally takes care of these barriers. Also, LTE isn't as critical with HSPA+. Sprint and Verizon 3g is a joke compared to it, which is why they need LTE. I don't think it is reasonable to expect this kind of pivot from Ting, but I can dream, right?
October 30, 2012 12:56
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Drew SR

Unfortunately guys, I don't think that the Nexus 4 will ever come to Sprint or Verizon.  Google doesn't want CDMA carriers to get the grubby hands on Android 4.2 and messing it up with bloatware and other things.  Besides, CDMA carriers take forever to update Android software, this isn't  a problem with GSM.  Verizon is the worst offender.  The Nexus 4 won't even be getting LTE either.  Google doesn't want carrier intervention on the Nexus 4, period!  The only way to do that is to make it GSM without LTE.  If you want a Nexus 4 on Sprint, you will have to settle for an LG Optimus G, which is a pretty nice handset on its own.  I'm sure there will be pure Android 4.2 roms on it in the future.  Personally, I love the EVO 4G LTE.

Read this article on The Verge to understand better what is going on:

http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/29/3569688/why-nexus-4-does-not-have-4g-lte

October 30, 2012 19:00
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Zarthan South
Ting Army

A Sprint Nexus 4 may never be offered at the Play Store but Sprint has carried The Nexus S and the Galaxy Nexus so I wouldn't count out the Nexus 4 coming to Sprint. The Google Play Store has the Global version of the Nexus 4 which just happens to work on ATT and T-Mobile. 

October 30, 2012 19:27
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Drew SR

You may be correct, but I don't see it coming in the near future, especially since Sprint will be getting the LG Optimus G.  On a different note, I just scored a like new EVO 4G LTE for $220 on Craigslist, barely used.  Can't believe it sells for $594 with tax at Sprint, it boggles my mind actually.  There are some crazy deals to be had out there for sure.  Looking forward to joining Ting.

October 30, 2012 23:01
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Zarthan South
Ting Army

@Drew

It may be OK but I would suggest that you do the exchange of cash at a Sprint store. It could be lost/stolen, and water damaged or have an unpaid balance at Sprint. Have the store verify a clean ESN. 

October 30, 2012 23:57
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Drew SR

Yeah, I will, thanks for the advice!

October 31, 2012 00:05
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Zarthan South
Ting Army

Good luck I certainly hope it goes your way. 

October 31, 2012 01:20
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Bruce Osborne
Ting Army

@Zarthan,

It is too bad Ting does not have a method for securely selling a phone. After a bit more testing, I will have a Ting HTC Detail for sale now that my Epic 4G is on ting through BYOD.

October 31, 2012 12:19
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Zarthan South
Ting Army

@Bruce

At some point I think Ting will be partnering with a used/refurb phone company. At that point I think all resales could happen that way. Unfortunately a direct sale seller to buyer nets more money for the seller. Too many people get caught through Craigslist buying an unbelievable "deal" only to find they just bought a phone that can't be activated on any system.

If Ting operated as a middleman --Buyer sends cash to Ting -- Seller sends phone to Buyer -- Buyer activates phone on Ting -- Ting sends money to Seller. Just a thought. It may be that that is how the reseller works I don't know.   

October 31, 2012 12:40
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Bruce Osborne
Ting Army

I think the current safest option for selling a Ting smart phone may be eBay / Paypal.

Unfortunately, eBay & Paypal fees apply.

October 31, 2012 12:46
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Scott Allan
Ting Help Center

Hi all - just a quick note. We are working with glyde.com to enable a marketplace for used and refurbished devices. We hope to launch it in November. More details late next week!

October 31, 2012 12:48
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Zarthan South
Ting Army

Well there we have it. Thanks Scott

October 31, 2012 13:32
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Sagi Quarius
Ting Army

Good, I'm in the market for a preowned Ting HTC E4G LTE.

Scott, I don't suppose you have any preowned ones laying about now ;-)

November 01, 2012 16:03
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Bruce Osborne
Ting Army

Sagi,

I have a Ting HTC Detail (EVO Shift 4G) thst will be available as soon as I wipe it. That is a WiMax phone, though.

It currently has Cyanogenomd 7.2 on it, but I am considering putting a stock Shift ROM on it. Now I have my old Epic 4G on Ting through BYOD, I do not need the Detail any more.

November 01, 2012 16:09
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Jesse Christophel

There are rumors that the white nexus 4 coming in june will be on cdma, but there is also rumors that it uses the same exact hardware as the black nexus (meaning it will still be GSM). I guess we'll find out in a few weeks!

May 28, 2013 15:57
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Bruce Osborne
Ting Army

Ting is dependent on what Sprint allows them to offer. I doubt Ting has any information they could share with us.

May 28, 2013 16:04
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Andrew Costen
Ting

Correct Bruce. We tend to share updates on our blog (at https://ting.com/blog/) nearly as soon as we have them though, so we recommend people keep an eye out there for interesting news on all sorts of Ting topics.

May 28, 2013 16:08
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Jesse Christophel

Well it looks like it is confirmed that the white nexus 4 is exactly like the black one (meaning only GSM still).

If nothing else, you can buy the LG Optimus G (there is a sprint model) since it is basically the same phone as the Nexus 4 (same hardware/specs) but with a slightly different shape and a different theme.

May 28, 2013 22:02
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Travis Beck

Will the newest nexus 4 be supported? I know that sprint must grant its use but, it supports: 

Unlocked GSM/UMTS/HSPA+
GSM/EDGE/GPRS (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
3G (850, 900, 1700, 1900, 2100 MHz)
HSPA+ 42
August 31, 2013 12:34
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Mark Chaney

lol, of course not. Thats not the same technology that sprint uses. Has to be CDMA.

August 31, 2013 13:01
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Matthew Jordan

Can you clone the ESN/MEID of a former sprint phone you own (Say an EVO 4G Shift) to a Nexus 4? It has the CDMA hardware, and so long as you aren't doing it for fraudulent reasons (like to steal cell service someone else is paying for, etc.), cloning of ESN/MEID is not illegal.

September 06, 2013 14:42
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Rocky Hinten

Matthew, you said, "It has the CDMA hardware", but I'm pretty sure it doesn't.  Your concept would work about cloning the ESN from a valid Ting phone to another phone that is CDMA and supports the right frequencies, but the Nexus 4 is a GSM phone without CDMA capability.  Check the specs at the bottom of the listing.  It doesn't do CDMA.

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Google-Nexus-4_id7531

September 06, 2013 16:49
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Matthew Jordan
I know it's not listed in the stats but I thought it used the same radio hardware as the LG optimus g, which if you mess with it enough can do both, even the Sprint one.

Time to hit up xda developers. I bought a nexus 4 because they were on sale thinking I could use it on ting. If it can be done I'm sure someone on xda has figured it out.
September 06, 2013 17:08
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Kenneth Fox

So, while it is not possible to get a Nexus 4 on Ting, it looks lik the next NNexus phone will include CDMA and LTE bands for Sprint/Ting.

http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/9/5/4699734/the-lg-nexus-5-with-lte...

 

September 06, 2013 19:37