Get any iphone 4S working on ting with donor phone.

Yes, there are manufacturer and carrier contractual obligations that prevent this from happening as of now (October 2012), but...

In theory, one should be able to get an iPhone working on Ting with a donor phone (from ting), and an unlocked/jailbroken iphone 4S (from ANY carrier).

Shouldn't we be able to 

  1. buy suitable donor phone from Ting 
  2. BYO-iPhone from *any* network 
  3. reprogram with donor ESN/MEID/IMEI and data profiles (using something like CDMA tool) 

Maybe it involves jailbreaking, maybe it involves hacking yet deeper parts of the firmware. I don't know. Multiple threads have information leading to successes of this with other phones. Isn't someone far off with an iPhone?

Ting will not be able to encourage this process outright. Let's figure it out, eh?

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  • It is my understanding that Step 4 is the problem. Jailbreaking the phone does not allow you to change the ESN/MEID of the iPhone.

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  • As I understand, it's not the jailbreaking itself, but the tools and actions you use after jailbreaking. In other words, you connect to the phone and flash / reprogram the hardware with something like DFS / CDMA Tool or CDMA Workshop.

    * video of dude reprogramming his iphone 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr4oldGwkHo 

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  • Looks like the tools are getting close but if you look at the page http://www.cdmatool.com/Apple you will see "Be careful - iPhone or iPad ESN/MEID repair is not possible with DFS!"

    Sprint will know it's an iPhone and not allow it unless you change the esn/imei to a non-iphone device.

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  • This is going to be the stupidest question ever, I haven't really understood the whole CDMA concept in full but can't you flash a Sprint model iPhone to Ting?

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  • That is basically the question, Krishna. Ting has no cellular tower infrastructure of its own -- it is a Sprint-exclusive MVNO. So if Sprint offers the iPhone, then any iPhone 4S has the hardware capability to run on Ting. It's just a matter of programming the phone to do it.

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  • I see, so what is this whole thing regarding DFS? Like you posted earlier is it not possible to just change the ESN and then flash?

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  • I see, so what is this whole thing regarding DFS? Like you posted earlier is it not possible to just change the ESN and then flash?

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  • Well, this is what I'm trying to figure out. DFS is a tool that is used to manage phone configuration under the hood (CDMA flashing software). Someone posted a reference to a note about DFS's capabilities, but IMO they aren't clear. "ESN Repair" could mean something different from ESM editing, and could be irrelevant if a phone is jailbroken. And, any capability of DFS, or lack thereof, doesn't speak to the capabilities of other phone flashing tools.

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  • For clarity, that "someone" was Keith from above, and I'm not suggesting HIS comment was unclear. I've read the pages for DFS. It's THOSE pages that aren't clear to me.

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  • Apple has made things quite difficult with the iphone. At the moment, I believe an iphone 4 can have the esn changed, but the hack is not pretty and requires scripts to run at every boot. I haven't seen any reports of the 4s with a successful esn change. The iphone isn't like other phones, don't compare it as such. Apple has gone more than out of their way to make tampering with the internals incredibly difficult. Jailbreaking the devices is the same as rooting an android phone, and doesn't get anywhere close to the nvram of the radio chip where the important information sits. The software flashing tools just aren't out there, so there isn't much hope.

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  • how hard  would it be to get a sprint iphone working on ting

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  • Very

    Sprint has not yet permitted the iPhone for BYOD and the tools for cloning the ESN are not available for current devices (available on Sprint). Read Ryans post.  

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  • is it possible to get a sprint blackberry working on ting

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  • Just look through the Whitelist for devices that are capable of BYOD to Ting. Sprint hasn't enabled Blackberry devices to BYOD.  Since BB uses it's own data service routed through Canada I would imagine that BB would be way down the line for BYOD and it may never happen. 

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  • If I assumed that you already had an iPhone and a Blackberry device could I suggest that you sell those devices and put the money towards a phone on the BYOD list or get a phone directly from Ting.  Those devices probably have more value to a Sprint customer. 

     

    Forgot the whitelist link https://help.ting.com/entries/22567167-byod-whitelist

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  • stay on topic

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  • could i use an lg optimus s instead of a sumsung tranform ultra

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  • For what purpose? 

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  • to bring my iphone 4

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  • Not without a way to change the ESN on the iphone 4.

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  • You CAN'T bring ANY iPhone to Ting. 

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  • The line in the first post

    "BYO-iPhone from *any* network "

    is wrong for AT&T/T-Mobile phones.  Those are GSM, and none of those will work AT ALL on Ting.  Different transmission technologies.

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  • @Iris Ailin-Pyzik 

    Not, it's not wrong. the iPHone 4S is exactly the same across the board for all carriers, with CDMA and GSM hardware. My intent with this post has always been to FIGURE OUT HOW to make it work. It is certainly possible within the realm of reality, it's just a matter of having the knowledge and/or tools to do it (e.g. on an extreme scale, how to hack or reprogram the firmware, etc).

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  • I think the earlier iPhones (4 and 4s) had all the radios across all carriers. Since someone has claimed to have just activated an iPhone 5 on Ting without cloning, we need to get Ting folks to set this straight. Someone also has claimed to have partially activated a Virgin Mobile phone on Ting. Either Sprint has relaxed the Sprint only ESN requirement or we started off with incorrect information (or something else). 

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  • There is a guy named "musclenerd" that claimed to have accidentally figured out how to change the ESN/IMEI on an iPhone 5 while working on something else a couple months ago.  I have been following him a bit to see if anything crops up.  I suspect that if he really did, it would be more public or he would have put more effort in continuing the research.  I think he is one of the programmers for redsn0w but not sure.

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  • I stand corrected.  So apart from the Ting issues, you're stuck because you can't change the ESN to something that Sprint will permit and not recognize as an iPhone?  Looks like Apple has worked its magic again.

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  • If the information we have been given that Sprint has blocked iPhone ESNs is incorrect or that Sprint blocks not on the ESN but some other information or combination of information it may not be the issue we think it is. 

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  • @Zarthan South:  There are multiple version of the Iphone 4 and previous generations for GSM or CDMA. The iPhone 4S is universally the same hardware. iPhone 5 is back to having multiple versions, internationally. 

    @Iris Ailin-Pyzik: that's why if how to reprogram the ESN/IMEI/MEID or whatever can be determined, the donor phone comes into play.

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  • Thanks for the clarification. 

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  • @Ray Richland -

    I totally understand the donor phone approach.  Currently you're talking about the 4S, but later on, someone will want to do an iPhone 5.  (And the guy who supposedly brought over an iPhone 5 is now mum about how he did it.  If he did it.)  However, you're going to need at least a 3G donor phone for 3G to work, and if you want Wimax to work on the phone (or potentially LTE) you're going to need an ESN that Sprint sees as capable for those features.  For 3G, you'd probably be better off with buying a Sprint "for parts" (but good ESN) phone on ebay to keep the cost down, to get an ESN you can BYOD, and possibly for 4G/Wimax.  To get LTE to work (and I won't pretend to have any insight into what you'd do with a non-Sprint phone for that) you're not talking chump change for a phone that will give you an ESN that will be supported, and at this stage, it would have to be a Ting-sourced phone, and currently the cheapest LTE is $294.

    Makes me glad that I really do like Android.

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