Virgin Mobile Kyocera Rise on Ting

There's currently a great deal going on at a local Target for a Virgin Mobile Kyocera Rise (http://www.virginmobileusa.com/shop/cell-phones/kyocera-rise-phone/features/). What would I need to do to get it to work on Ting?

I don't have Virgin Mobile service (the current phone number I would want to port is on T-Mobile Prepaid), so the phone would be unactivated and new-in-box. Since it's Android 4.0 (ICS), would rooting it help? Could I lose any features in the process? What expenses would I incur?

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  • Virgin Mobile branded phones cannot currently be activated directly via BYOD.

    The way to get that phone to work is to purchase it from VM and then also buy a donor Ting phone (and activate it) to pull credentials off of. The cheapest donor phone is the M370 for $52.

    Read the hacks forum here about CDMA programming. If you're doing this simply to save a few bucks (around $75 from what I can tell: $30 + $52 for the VM Kyocera Rise + Ting donor vs $160 for the Ting Kyocera Rise), I'd advise against it. It's not worth it (it takes several hours even if you know exactly what you're doing, for computer geeks it would take all night to a few days). If you're doing this just to see if it can be done and don't mind getting stuck, frustrated, or it possibly not working at all; then I encourage it completely. Make your decision accordingly.

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  • Thanks for the info, just curious would it be of any difference if the phone was unlocked by Virgin Mobile, or would it still need a donor phone to work on Ting?

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  • There's no such thing as a CDMA phone being "unlocked". There is no phone-side locking for CDMA phones, that's only GSM based phones that are locked only to a particular vendor SIM card. "Unlocking," a GSM phone means removing that requirement and allowing any SIM card from any vendor to be used. CDMA phones don't work that way Instead, they work by serial number (MEID) registration with the carrier. There's nothing to unlock. Sprint has said that right now they are not allowing phones with Virgin Mobile serial numbers are allowed on Ting. That's it, end of story. There's no way around it. Part of the function of the reprogramming I was suggesting changes the target phone's serial number so it doesn't appear to be Virgin Mobile anymore but looks like Ting. That's how you can get a non-approved phone on Ting.

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  • Thought as much, Google had me confused a little bit since apparently the Rise is offered as a GSM based Virgin Mobile phone in other countries (namely Australia). I'm also more familiar with GSM phones and SIM cards and the like, CDMA is a new experience for me. I bit the bullet and got the Ting based Rise, I'm sure I won't be disappointed :P

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  • I've flashed my fair share of CDMA phones. As far as the Kyocera Rise or any other phone on Virgin Mobile it is possible by just changing the login info, APN settings, and the MDN. You'll need to contact Ting to get that info for your account though. Not a problem there. Changing it on your phone though can be difficult. Thankfully with the Rise you can do everything right on the phone. As soon as you change the MDN it should update with the correct login info if you have your number with Ting already of course. No CDMA Workshop needed. :P

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  • @Kyle

    That won't change the MEID which is what Sprint uses to deny a VM device. Going the other direction, Sprint device to VM, should work just fine. 

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  • So far I have been able to get phone service and texting working just by changing the MSID on the phone itself. Data is going to be a bit harder. I have to push the updated PRL to the device and probably change the AA, AAA, and HA logins as well and the main username to MEIDXXXXX@hcm.sprintpcs.com. The main username and some logins can be accessed through the ##DATA# menus, but PRL updates will probably require CDMA Workshop. A *228 doesn't fetch the info even with the Data User Name changed to the correct settings.

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  • If the updated PRL doesn't solve it all, then yes a donor phone for HA and AAA logins might be needed. I will keep this thread updated with my progress.

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  • Kyle, you're going through the process that requires an active donor phone, which is not what the OP wanted to do, and not what your opening comment implied.

    I'm confused now, what is it you were you responding to originally?

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  • I've gotten voice to work, but yes... it looks like 3G data will require a donor phone even though it is a Sprint (well vmobl.com) registered ESN. Next up is trying my Verizon Galaxy Nexus via a donor phone. Keeping the Rise just as a voice only option for right now. New thread for that though.

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  • But you said you got voice and text working by configuring MDN and MSID, which you can only get by provisioning a phone with service on the backend, which you can only do with Ting by giving them a usable ESN, which can't come from a phone tagged in the database as belonging to Sprint's prepaid division.

    Even that wouldn't work as-is, because the network validates registration on outgoing calls and texts, and inbound is routed according to the provisioning database, not what the phone says it wants to be.

    Is the Virgin Mobile account associated with your particular Rise still active? That's the only possibility I can think of for you to still have service with an unmodified ESN. And you'd need a donor of some sort just to get a registered MDN/MSID pair to play with in the first place.

    I'm still confused on what you're trying to do and how it helps with Virgin Mobile devices.

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  • Here are the steps to get phone and texting service working. It is super easy.

    1. Buy a Virgin Mobile phone at retail or through virginmobileusa.com

    2. Register at Ting.com as a BYOD member

    3. Port your number over to Ting. After this is done Ting assigns a new MSID. You will need to call Ting to get that.

    4. Change the MSID by dialing ##847446#, going to MSID, select edit, enter your SPC code which Ting emails you, edit the MSID, exit menu

    5. Restart your phone, profit.

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  • At step 2, you're saying the ting.com/byod page accepted this phone's ESN? And this is a Kyocera Rise with a Virgin Mobile logo embedded above the display?

    If that's true, then it's very interesting, because Sprint's policy is not supposed to allow its ESN to be accepted in the first place. It was never about the phone's programming.

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  • For what it is worth entering the ESN into ting seems to work.  I got to that step then got scared from there because I'm not ready to move my number.  

    With that said if I do get a donor phone and want to port my rise over properly is there any instructions on changing the ESN?  I'm assuming it has to use "CDMA Tools" but I have root on my phone and I'd rather use open source or software that can be obtained with uh less legal ambiguity...  I'm comfortable with the command line and ADT but I haven't found any documentation so I'm guessing you have to use external software.

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  • Welcome to the duality that is CDMA. adb and all the OS level stuff doesn't touch anything ESN/MIN/MDN related. All of that is stored on the nvram on the Qualcomm radio chip. No OS level software plays with it (except for some very specific scripts like the Sprint OTA provisioning framework). The only way to manipulate the nvram is to talk to the phone via modem AT commands (usually over the usb link to a computer) and reprogram the nvram (change ESN/MDN, etc). There aren't any open source tools (that I know of at least) that do this, so you'll have to use some of more "questionable" software to do this programming.

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  • Thanks for the info.  I may add a cheaper text phone for my daughter once I get signed up... At that point it would be worth a try to see if we can move the better phone.  It is just hard to find something definitive that says you have to use this to change it so thanks for spelling it out.

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  • Some demo versions of software will allow you to do what you want. I would try out the trial version of CDMA Workshop for ESN reads and writes. (Don't forget to always read after you write) If your phone doesn't automatically get the AA logins from OTA after the ESN change then you'll need QPST to pull them from the donor device and write them to your own phone. If this doesn't sound like fun, then I wouldn't attempt it as it is going be a whole day type of thing.

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  • OK So I have one Kyocera Rise that Ting accepts the serial number.  However the phone won't activate.

    I now have the MSL code so I can change settings (and obviously brick my phone so no need to warn me).  Kyle how did you get it to activate?  Was it ever activated before (maybe that is the difference).

    Thanks

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  • Have you called Ting support for help?

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  • You'll need to get the MIN and MDN for your phone by calling Ting. The MIN should have been emailed to you along with the SPC code. The MDN will need to be changed on the phone before it will activate. The MIN should already be correct.

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  • The gist I got from the Ting rep is that I need to be able to activate it with ##72786#.  This seems to be disabled on this phone (although ##VIRGIN# works) so it will only activate on Virgin.  I did get and enter the MDN and MSID but it is still not activating.  I forced it to try with ##VIRGIN# but it wouldn't take.  Beyond that I don't know anything else that can be done.  

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  • With BYOD opened up to LTE and most Sprint devices available for activation, it seems like an unnecessary struggle to activate a phone that Sprint wants to be off limits. If this is a "just for fun" or a "learning experience" situation by all means. If you just want a phone, and the Kyocera Rise is what you want to use why not sell the VM Rise to a VM customer and get a Sprint version.

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  • I was a bad boy and bricked my LG Marquee so this is a phone we had laying around without service.  Just trying to save money if possible before buying a new phone.

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  • Get a used phone and sell both the Marquee and the Rise. Even bricked the Marquee is useful as parts.   

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  • Yeah that's what I'm going to do.  Just was trying to do it the hard way (learning experience if you will).

    Thanks

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  • I don't use my Kyocera Rise anymore, but I believe the ##DATA# is where you change the MDN. I'm not sure the complexity that has been incorrectly conveyed in this thread came from. It is super easy overall.

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