FirefoxOS, anyone?

With the (GSM) developer previews going out, my interest is piqued. Anyone been able to get Firefox OS running on a Sprint/Ting device?

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  • Ting phones are all CDMA, so it might not be able to make the translation over...

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  • Would welcome Ting's support of Firefox OS phones.

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  • Hello -

    New Firefox OS has WCDMA :

    ZTE Is Selling The $99 Open C Firefox Phone Exclusively On Ebay

    http://techcrunch.com/2014/05/09/zte-is-selling-the-99-open-c-firefox-phone-exclusively-on-ebay/

    eBay exclusive ZTE OPEN C Latest Firefox OS 3G dual core Unlocked Smartphone

    http://item.ebay.com/291125433026

    Specs:

    OS:     Latest Firefox OS

    CPU:     MSM8210 1.2GHz, A7, Dual Core

    Network:     850/900/1800/1900M WCDMA 850/1900M

    RAM :    512MB

    ROM:     4GB

    SIM Card Type:     Standard SIM Card

    Screen:     TFT 4.0 inch Multi-touch screen

    Camera:     3.0MP FF Back camera

    Battery:     1400 mAh

    Size:     126 * 64.7 * 10.8 mm

    Other Functions:     Support Bluetooth, accelerometer, GPS with AGPS, WIFI 802.11b/g/n

    Carlos

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  • There are some builds out there for Nexus devices. I would guess that would be the only way we will see Firefox OS on a CDMA phone at present. Their focus is on emerging markets so that will be almost entirely GSM. As far as WCDMA that is an entirely different technology than CDMA. WCDMA is actually a GSM tech here are the ever so long and ever so boring details on that if you are interested:http://www.differencebetween.net/technology/difference-between-cdma-and-wcdma/ 

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  • Wesley, thanks for the correction on CDMA versus WCDMA.  I was researching the difference but all the articles I read were from the early 2000's, so I wasn't sure if what I was reading was up to date.  Oh well.  I really wanted an excuse to get that phone.

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  • Carlos if you are into tinkering a Nexus S might not be a bad way to go. Looks like it supports Firefox OS fairly cheap and you can pick them up pretty cheap also. I tried Ubuntu on my Nexus 5 and well it has a long way to go but the non-android options are neat to give a try.

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  • ohh how I need an edit button  "Looks like it supports Firefox OS fairly well..."

     

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  • Wesley -

     

    Hmmmm, this might be an option ... :

     

    Firefox OS build prerequisites

    https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox_OS/Firefox_OS_build_prerequisites

    Tier 2

    Tier 2 devices are generally functional and many developers (especially app developers) are using them, so they tend to pick up changes secondarily.

     Samsung Nexus S

        The known working model numbers of Nexus S devices are GT-I9020A and GT-I9023. Others may work.

    Samsung Nexus S 4G

        The SPH-D720 is supported as a tier 2 device.

     

    Gotta think about this.

     

    Carlos

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  • Carlos: If you are going to try to run Firefox OS on a Sprint Nexus S, on Ting, I have one piece of advice. Make sure you activate the phone on Ting using the stock, unrooted Android ROM first. Ting activation requires access to stock features like dialer codes, that are not necessarily included in custom ROMs, particularly developer ROMs like Firefox OS. Once you've successfully activated the device on Ting and can make/receive calls, send SMS, and access data, you can safely proceed with custom ROMs. As long as the custom ROM doesn't require reflashing the radio firmware, you should be set.

    I learned this the hard way trying to bring a rooted CM7 ROM HTC Evo Shift to Ting; it took me two days to track down the stock 2.2 ROM and get it downgraded and flashed so I could activate the phone. Once I did that, I was able to put any ROM the phone supported on there and it worked great on Ting. 

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  • Actually, rooted stock ROMs can be activated on Ting. Custom ROMS usually do not work.

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  • Bruce, I think it depends on the phone. On that Evo Shift I mentioned above, I started out with the stock but rooted 2.3 ROM, and none of the dialer codes worked. It wasn't until I was on a stock, non-rooted ROM that the dialer codes allowed me to access the activation settings. 

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  • Hmmm.

    My Galaxy S Epic 4G (QWERTY) worked fine during alpha phase 1 testing with a rooted stock OS on the network through a Wilson repeater

    I do not recall whether we used the dialer carrier reset, though. I remember having to set the MMS URL using dialer codes, though.

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  • Hi Morgan -

    I think I will take your advice for a similar reason. 

    I got the Samsung Nexus S 4G on ebay.  It boots up trying to activate the phone.  From what little I have read it seems that I need to upgrade the Android OS *before* installing Firefox OS.  Since I don't know the rev of OS that is on the phone right now, this implies I need to add the phone to the Ting network before I can continue.

    Carlos

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  • Hello -

     

    This is why I think I need to update the Android OS on my currently unactivated Samsung Nexus S 4G :

    https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox_OS/Firefox_OS_build_prerequisites

    Important: Only devices running at least Android 4 (aka Ice Cream Sandwich) are supported. If your device is listed above but running an older version of Android, please update it before doing anything.

     

    My Nexus S 4G would have a sub-Android 4.0 installed by default : 

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexus_S

    Operating system Android 2.3 Gingerbread

    upgradable to 4.1.2 Jelly Bean

     

    Carlos

     

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  • Carlos: You should be able to update to 4.0 or higher even without activation, if you use wifi to do an OTA upgrade (assuming the current ROM is stock). You could also upgrade manually via your computer, but it's not for the faint of heart. That said, you're doing this to be able to run Firefox OS, so you should be able to handle it if necessary. If you can't get either of those methods to work, you can try activating it on Ting briefly, just long enough to do the OTA update, then switch back to your usual phone. 

    When I had a Nexus S 4G, I was able to install "Jelly Bean" 4.1 via an OTA update over wifi, and I believe that was the last one available for that device. 

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  • Morgan: Thanks for the pointers.  Now that my billing cycle just ended I am going to activate the phone on Ting, update it to 4.0, test it to make sure it is fully functional, and then install Firefox OS.  I want to see how well "FFOS" runs as a fully connected phone.  

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  • Carlos I look forward to hearing your report. I just tried it on my Nexus 5 but kept getting a sim card error and just never found the time to fix it. 

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  • Hello -

    (my e-bay sourced Nexus S 4G was "locked down", so I could not add it to the Ting network)

    I just saw these articles :

    Firefox OS Flips Into The U.S. With Verizon Feature Phones; Enters Africa With Orange And The $40 Klif

    http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/01/mozilla-firefox-os-verizon-africa/

    "... at the Mobile World Congress in Barcelona, Mozilla today is announcing new deals with several carriers, OEMs and a chipmaker that will see it active in 40 markets by 2016.

    Perhaps most notably, it will work with Verizon to bring the first Firefox phones to the U.S. (along with Japan’s KDDI and Telefonica for their respective footprints) — not smartphones, but feature phones that will focus on form factors like flip and slide openings. And it will work with Orange to crack into Africa and the Middle East with the Klif, a new phone that will cost less than $40. ..."

    Mozilla is bringing Firefox OS to flip-phones and sliders

    http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/01/mozilla-is-bringing-firefox-os-to-flip-phones-and-sliders/

    "... At Mobile World Congress, the company announced a new partnership with LG and carriers Verizon, Telefónica, KDDI and U+ to create a fresh range of flip-phones, sliders and touch screen "slate" handsets. Firefox OS will look a little different on these devices -- Mozilla says the group is developing a "more intuitive and easy-to-use" software experience for their planned launch in 2016. ...  If the design looks familiar, there's a reason for that: the Klif is actually a rebranded Pixi 3, which can be bought with either Android, Windows Phone or Firefox OS pre-installed. ..."

    What is a Pixi 3? :

    ALCATEL ONETOUCH Launches the PIXI 3 Family: OS-Agnostic 3G & 4G LTE Smartphones

    http://www.alcatelonetouch.com/global-en/news/pressroom/PIXI_3_Family.html#goStar

    "... CES - Las Vegas, January 6th, 2015 – ALCATEL ONETOUCH, one of the world’s fastest-growing smartphone brands, announces the third generation of its PIXI family, offering 3G/4G connectivity and multiple OS platforms. Ranging from a pocket-friendly 3.5-inch display to a larger 5-inch display, the PIXI 3 is the first from the PIXI family to offer both 3G/4G LTE connectivity and function on several operating systems. The PIXI 3 family further offers affordability, accessibility and customization, all in one phone. ... Supports Firefox, Android and Windows

    “We are proud to announce the launch of our high-performing PIXI 3 family, which supports different OS platforms” says Dan Dery ALCATEL ONTOUCH’s Chief Marketing Officer. “Our consumer-centric vision revolves around ease, accessibility and affordability for our users and the PIXI 3 family has delivered just that.”  ..."

    As long as a Pixi 3 has hotspot, that's all I need :

    Use phone as modem - Alcatel One Touch Pixi 3 (3.5)

    https://helpforsmartphone.com/public/en/alcatel/one-touch-pixi-3-3-5/android-4-4/guides/25/Use-phone-as-modem

    PIXI 3(4)

    http://www.alcatelonetouch.com/global-en/products/smartphones/pixi_3_4.html

    PIXI 3(3.5)

    http://www.alcatelonetouch.com/global-en/products/smartphones/pixi_3_3-5.html

    THE BIG QUESTION: Will this phone, with Firefox OS, work on the Ting (Sprint) network?!?!?!

    Carlos

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  • Carlos: Unless you absolutely need to be on Sprint's CDMA network, I'd suggest getting your hands on one of the current or upcoming Firefox OS based GSM phones and trying out Ting's new GSM service. I've been using it since the private beta started, and Firefox OS seems to work on Ting GSM via my Nexus 4. However, I don't recommend the Nexus 4 as a full time Firefox OS device, because a few things are broken (MMS, some APN settings, etc.). 

    Coverage for me is about the same between Sprint CDMA and the GSM provider Ting uses (hint: It's not AT&T). Check out Ting's GSM coverage map, and if you think it will serve you well, I'd recommend at least trying it out. 

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  • Morgan -

    Thanks for the fast response.  I have no problem going GSM.  I have been pedantic about CDMA because that was the "Ting limitation" in the past, not the present.  My only hard requirement is that the Firefox OS phone has decent hotspot support.  I don't need the latest and greatest, I just need reliable.

    Thank you again for your response!!!

    Carlos

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  • I have seen firefoxos running on a Nexus device on the CDMA network.

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  • Moose, I had a nexus 5 running it. I can't remember if data worked I think I had 3G. I was using Ubuntu at the time and get them a bit confused on what I had working. Anyway I know calls and text worked.

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  • Currently using Ting GSM service with a ZTE Open C running Firefox OS 2.0. Just received my card in the mail and started my service, but it works great so far.

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