LG optimus F3 app storage

Picked up two of these to replace the kid's older phones. They've already maxed out the internal storage (so the phone's more or less a brick now as Android is unhappy until I uninstall stuff) and it looks like newer Android versions by default don't allow apps to be placed on the SD card. (which as best as I can tell is what's taking the space). I have a 32GB SD card just because I knew they like to try out lots of apps and aren't good about cleaning up, etc.

Do I really have to root a brand new phone just to make it useable? Anyone already solve this problem with the F3s?

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  • Hi Brewster,

    I believe recent software updates have made it so the option to move applications to the SD card is no longer in the application manager. You do have the option to root the phone in order to store apps on the SD card. Please note that rooting a device voids its warranty. 

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  • Hi Renny,

    Agree, for some reason in 4.x it seems like phone manufacturers have to remember to configure Android to enable that and for whatever reason they seem to be leaving it out (maybe because the trend is now away from SD cards?). I had poked around hoping there was a patch/upgrade available to fix this defect. Doesn't seem to be, but I wanted to ask at Ting since the user & support base here is pretty knowledgeable.

    Though your last comment about voiding the warranty...I honestly don't know how to address that. With no storage space (after installing maybe a dozen typical apps) on it the phone doesn't work reliably (out of space warnings all the time, crash/hangs, etc.). Given the rate of google app bloat it would have run out of space on its own soon anyway, even with no apps added. Does that mean I should send the F3s back as defective now? And then I get a 'replacement' and assuming the same software defect it of course will act exactly the same... So obviously that's not a path to go down :D

    Since there's no non-root way to fix the defect it doesn't seem 'right' to say to me/customers "yes, you're right, it is defective, and there's a simple procedure to fix it, but if you do fix it we won't honor the _hardware _warranty if you fix the software defect" seems not quite the right thing...

    I of course would wipe/restore it to factory default should I need to return it.

    Others(will) have this problem and it would be good if the phones didn't need to be rooted. Not sure what the Ting/LG relationship is like, but they seem to be sticking Ting with bad phones (we had 3 of the LG Marquees and those were truly junk). (not all of their phones, I really like my Nexus 5, if only google would fix bluetooth.).

    Anyway, I'll report back on this thread how I make out (and what I ended up doing) in case it helps someone else.

    Thanks for looking in to this.

     

     

     

     

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  • Self followup:

    Summary: After reading up more on the file system setup, IMHO, this really kind of a Android bug to not include a standard OS option for apps to reside totally on an 'external' SD card.  Or seems the rule should be that for Android 4.x flavors the phone must have 16GB of internal space. Or have I missed an obvious fix for the problem?

    What I did: Rooted with Motochopper  (seems like older copies are still out there and you need to have the latest Superuser.apk and su binary for this phone). Then used Links2SD to move all the moveable apps to the external SD card.  The phones then had about 300 MBytes of free space.

    About 2 days later that was gone (despite moving any newly installed apps to SD) and the phone more or less locks up with out of storage errors.

    Poked around with Storage Analyser and determine a couple of the apps were using 80 MBytes+ (each) in the /data/data area. (Link2SD just moves the .apk).

    Ah, so that explains why after moving the .apks the free space eventually disappeared. (system partition was down to < 1 mbyte at one point) Now it's not so clear what the best path to fix this is with. I tried GL to SD and while it worked you now have to launch the game from that app (and unmount later). And of course if a new app is added now you have run Link2SD and GL to SD and remember how to launch it, etc. Not a user friendly solution for the owners of the phones. As well as they (rightly say) they don't want a phone that just doesn't work right. I'm still tempted to wipe them back to factory default and return them...but for the price they're good other than this one (more or less) fatal flow.

    If you found this thread because you're considering an Optimus F3, I can only suggest it be purchased if you're comfortable rooting your phone and then finding ways to move apps and their data files to the external SD card.

    The only other bug found so far is the camera shutter sound is incredibly loud and can't be shut off on the included camera app and there seems to be no easy fix. Taking a picture at any sort of (quiet) event is not possible. (but it's not a great camera so you probably wouldn't buy the phone if you expected to take good pictures with it).

     

     

     

     

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  • Would you recommend me to not get the Samsung Galaxy Victory which I am considering? It too has 4G of internal memory and allows an SD card. I wonder if I would have the same problem. I don't plan on tons of apps, just a few key ones.

    My requirements are:

    smallish size (comfortably pocketable)

    4G LTE

    Inexpensive

     

    My son has the Samsung Galaxy S3 and he too complains of the shutter sound.

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  • Hi Roger,

    I don't know if other Android 4.x phones will show the problem as badly as the F3, While I do some Linux development work, I'm not familiar with Android so my comments are really just a guess. What I see on the F3 is that the OS and files related to making the phone go only leave 1.2 GB of "free" space for apps and the temporary files the phone creates when it runs. I'm kind of surprised that # is so low, I would have guessed that the OS,etc., would use no more than 1GB.

    Maybe in that regard the samsung is different; if the F3 had 2GB free I doubt we would have hit this problem, and if we did Link2SD would have been good enough. (I will add though that there are 'big' games out there that need 1 GB, so those would never run on an F3 off of internal flash.)

    Anyway, based on what I've seen and my limited knowledge, I would not buy an Android 4.x phone with only 4GB of internal storage, it just seems like it's asking for a fail. I've noticed Google keeps growing their apps, and generally those are ones that you kind of want to have on Android.

    YMMV

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  • @Brewster

    Thanks for the advice.

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  • One more self followup:

    Despite my best efforts the phones now run out of space (i.e. they become useless) with a "minimal" set of apps (minimal being what my teenage kids consider - just a couple of social networks apps like instagram, etc). It looks like 150 MBytes is about the minimum free space needed to run the phone.

    Looking at the storage I can see the apps are keeping data around and that's quickly eating up the meager space on this phone. And a few google app updates seems to have also grown things.

    As the phones are only 2 weeks old they're going back and being replaced with the Samsung mini S4s - which aren't all that great with only 8GB but that's all that's available in the < $400 price range. I would have gone with Nexus 5 but my kids complained that those are too large, so even though they're better/cheaper the only Ting choice is the mini S4.

    My new advice to anyone contemplating the F3: Do not buy this phone is you intended to install *any* apps on it. It's just going to turn in to a great big hassle for you.

    Rather a shame as in all other regards it's a great phone for the price, and I gladly would have paid $20 more for a phone with 16GB of internal storage. LG really screwed up on this one. OTOH this is the second "bad" phone model from Ting (the LG Marquees being the first).

    I hope that in the future Ting finds some mid priced phones that don't have basic  design faults/problems.

    OTOH Ting support has been great through all of this and no hassle to return the phones.

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  • I was just shopping online for a new SD card for my F3 when I ran across this thread. Such a drag ... I bought my last fall, so it's probably not returnable (is it?). I'm frustrated with it for the same reasons Brewster lays out, and have the same recommendation: don't buy it if you want to run more than the most basic apps. I'm sorry I did.

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  • I'm at a loss. It says low storage right now and I can't even send a simple text. Every app that can be on the SD card is. There are dozens of preloaded things that I have no idea as to their purpose and therefore don't know if they are okay to inactivate. I haven't the slightest idea what rooting means. I've cleared the cache on everything. I've deleted all but ten word text and two minutes of voice messages and it still says low storage and won't let me text. When I deleted stuff it said it went to the trash can and I hope the trash can automatically empties because I can't find a trash can anywhere to empty. Actually I had hoped I would find a trash can to empty because that would be an easy fix. Flummoxed and seeking help...

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  • Hi Lerissa. 

    The option to prevent you from moving apps to the SD card is a manufacturer's decision that's unfortunately out of our control.

    You can return a device within 30 days from the date of purchase, but that won't be possible if you bought it last fall. If you're looking for a device that can store and transfer apps to the SD card, however, you could consider selling your F3 and purchasing an alternative device through the Buy & Sell section of our forums.

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  • Hey Jeffrey,

    Some required apps are not deletable, so you could try deleting the other ones. I would also backup your device before doing any of those changes in case you get rid of something you'd want later on or an app that was required but for some reason was allowed to be deleted.  You could also try googling some of those app names to see if they're required or not.

    Could you check how much storage space you have available under your phone's settings? You should be able to see how much space is available, how much storage is being used both on the SD card and the phone, and which apps are using the most storage space.

    Feel free to open a support request with us if you want us to further investigate that for you. If doing so, please provide us as much detail as possible regarding your apps and how much storage they're taking.

     

     

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  • Google Play Services takes up 23.71, Google Play Store takes up 10.5 MB, Voice search takes up 4.8 MB, and Maps take 4 MB. The email, voice mail and Ink Pad each take about 3MB, Nearly everything else that isn't on the SD card takes 1MB or less and I don't know what most of those do. Would it be safe to clear the data on any of the ones I listed in the first sentence?

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  • Hey Jeffrey. It might not be safe deleting those as they're part of your device's essential services. One thing you could try is reset the device back to its factory settings. That would completely wipe any unnecessary data, reset the phone back to its original settings and make sure you only have the essential apps and content installed on your phone.

    From there, you can restore only what you want from backups (text messages, contacts, emails, etc).  Please note the reset will completely clear your device, so you need to ensure you back everything up in order to restore that later.

    If you want to give that a try, please contact our support team and provide them with as much detail as possible. We'll send you you instructions to reset your device. For instructions on backing up your phone, please check this link.

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  • Hello Ting People:

    I've been doing research and am seriously considering rooting my phone. I am semi-techie (i.e., I know what a command prompt is, can extract a zipped file, and have heard of Linux). I ran across a YouTube video that provides step by step instructions on changing the F3's programming so new apps get stored on the SD card instead of going to internal storage. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2E1GqpZtUA)  It requires downloading SDK, connecting the phone to your laptop, running the SDK tools and typing in a few commands. It sounds more do-able than rooting.

    What do you think? Have you heard of this method?

    Thanks ...

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  • Am I missing something? I also have an LG Optimus F3. However, when I checked my phone's MEID the Ting site said my device isn't supported. As I only purchased the F3 a few months ago and totally love it, I'm just not ready to sell it off to change mobile providers. If the device is supported, I could save a few bucks a month by switching to Ting. (And if it is, you guys might want to examine your "Check" feature as it's either not working correctly or hasn't been updated.) Thanks.

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  • Hey David,

    The F3 is supported on Ting, but only if bought through Ting. It is not yet on the BYOD phone list, which is why you received that message. An estimated time frame would be mid to late June, however this is just an estimate on my part.

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  • Alright I'll check back in a couple months. Thank-you Paraic.

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